New Atheism Analysis: looking for another POV

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Ugh. I recently finished reading "The Devil's Delusion" (David Berlinski). What a mess. I don't think I disagreed with it, but David's presentation was such that it's almost impossible to understand what he's trying to tell you. The quotes you gave above remind me of that.

If you're looking for evidence of God, you might actually find something like Behe's "The Edge of Evolution" more useful, even though it barely talks about God. You said "I'm a non-theist and typically want to understand things from a Scientific point-of-view". Good! I happen to believe that a faith firmly grounded in reason (1 Peter 3:15) is the best kind.

The first and critical step is to be open to the idea that the secular-humanist propaganda line is just that; propaganda. All those people telling you that "science proves" evolution, or deep time, are promoting a belief system. Dig a little deeper and you'll start to see that a lot of these beliefs are held in spite of the actual evidence, and that challenges abound.

Keep digging, and what you'll find is that atheistic world views are generally held not because they make the most sense of things, but because alternatives have been rejected a priori.

Keep digging, and you'll find tons of scientists that look at things differently, and believe that the evidence is actually a very good fit for Christian Scripture... not just that there is plenty of historical and archaeological evidence for the New Testament and later Old Testament, but that what we see actually fits very well with Creation circa 4,000 B.C., Noah's Flood, and so forth.

There are tons of resources out there to help you explore science from a Christian viewpoint. (There are also, unfortunately, a lot of "Christian" appeasers that try to warp Scripture to fit "scientific" claims.) Personally, I tend to point seekers at the Intelligent Design camp first, because, while those folks may uncritically accept some claims that are contrary to Scripture and to a Creationist understanding of science (and therefore, I would argue, wrong), I think they're a good starting point for learning to look past the rhetoric and make an honest assessment whether the secular-humanist claims really match up with reality. Much of their literature also doesn't try to beat you over the head with theism, allowing you rather to come to that conclusion on your own.

On closer inspection, I think I can understand what D&A are trying to say, but it's a very philosophical approach, and maybe that doesn't work for you. (It also looks like a fairly confrontational approach, which may not be ideal for someone that isn't already favorably disposed to their argument.) It's actually in a similar line to what I've presented above. Nevertheless, I think you have two options. First, if you're finding a particular book difficult, to try something else. Second, if you find yourself disagreeing, try to imagine yourself in the authors' position. Why do they believe what they claim? What external factors might be responsible for their beliefs? Why do you disagree with them? It's possible, of course, that the authors are actually wrong. Is it possible that you are wrong? Disagreement is an opportunity to examine why you believe the things you believe, and to either reaffirm or renounce those beliefs.

We have a chat room for such topics if you're interested! (I'd also be happy to discuss what you quoted in more detail, but chat would be a better venue for that.)

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Your book quotes are a long winded way of saying:

"No one is smart enough to logically deduce the nature of reality with any confidence.

The Christian acknowledges the limitations of his (and everyone else's) intelligence and learns to live well within those limits.

The atheist self deludes and tells himself that he is smart enough to rationally deduce the ultimate nature of everything, even though he should obviously know better, which is intellectual hubris and the opposite of true skepticism. "

I think it's a great argument, and it was one of the key factors that led me away from atheism.

I realised I had had to overhaul my worldview several times before, each time thinking the new iteration was perfect.

I realised that I - and all other people - are not cognitively equipped to deal with concepts like infinity, let alone causality, determinism, etc.

Finally, I realised that science has nothing to say about what happens outside of what we can observe. Making assumptions about natural laws outside of our universe is purely belief based.

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