What is the biblical basis for Jesus' eternal pre-existence (as opposed to having been created a long time ago)?
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John clearly and logically makes four statements :
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. [John 1:1,2 KJV]
'In the beginning' states the moment of 'beginning'. If one existed at that moment, then that one has an existence that is independent of time. If independent of time, then eternal. This one, the Logos, is quite evidently, from context, the one born in Bethlehem of the virgin Mary.
This one is God and was with 'the' God in the beginning. Evidently, from this statement alone, Deity is not alone. And Deity is not alone eternally.
John also makes a further statement :
την ζωην την αιωνιον ητις ην προς τον πατερα [1 John 1:2 TR Undisputed]
... the life the eternal which was with the Father [Literal]
Again, in context, John refers to 'manifestation' and it is clear that this is Jesus.
Prior to 'manifestation' the life, the eternal ... was with the Father.
If 'with the Father' then with the Father, eternally, as 'Son'. Evidently. If entitled 'Father' in eternity, the name must mean what it says, in eternity. And if 'life' is with that Father (and that eternally) then that life must be 'Son'.
John's statement is simple, brief and utterly profound.
In these two places, John sets forth logical and indisputable statements that clearly demonstrate the eternal existence of the one who came into the world by woman.
This is Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
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John 8:58 (a clear reference to the most proper Name of God, Exodus 3:14):
Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham was made (γενέσθαι), I AM (εγώ ειμι).
"I AM": was, is, and will always be; eternal.
He doesn't say: "before Abraham was made, I was made", but "I AM" (uncreated).
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I don't have time for a long answer, but here are three passages that show that Jesus pre-existed eternally:
- Hebrews chapter 7 - draws an analogy to Melchizedek, who it says was without beginning of days or end of life (figuratively for Melchizedek; literally for Jesus--his birth into human flesh wasn't his beginning of days), and also calls Jesus' life indestructible (again by analogy). Note that this passage is not negating Jesus' death on the cross, it's just saying that it wasn't final, i.e. that he rose again and lives forever.
- John 1:3 - says that everything was created through Jesus and nothing was created without him. If Jesus himself was created, this verse wouldn't make sense.
- Colossians 1:16 - is even stronger than John 1:13, in that it makes it clear that everything was created through him and without him nothing was created includes things in heaven, and includes the invisible, i.e. heavenly beings: that Jesus created them all. It doesn't leave room for the possibility that Jesus himself was created. He took on human flesh when he came to earth to die on the cross for our sins to bring salvation through faith in him, but he was not created.
I'm sure there are many more, but these are just a few passages that show that Jesus has eternal pre-existence.
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I have practically answered this question here with this argument:
We can reformulate the question as: what is the Biblical basis for the Nicene interpretation of the Pre-existence of Christ doctrine?
NT can be interpreted in a non-Trinitarian way, but the Nicene early church party interpreted NT according to the apostolic tradition, i.e. according to how the 12 apostles + Paul would have understood the identity of Jesus as Jesus = God incarnate,
- not another being promoted to be divine (such as Adoptionism)
- nor a being born after the God the Father (such as Arianism: "there was a time when He was not"),
- nor other non-Trinitarian options.
The main evidence for the biblical basis of the Nicene interpretation is how the NT authors applied the term θεός (Theos) to Jesus, a term which traditionally refers to God the Father. The analysis is very complex but NOT esoteric, as laymen who read NT without prejudice can readily see how this interpretation option is not "forced". Because it's complex, needing Greek language expertise, translation practice in the apostolic period, Jewish connotations & OT tradition of the terms involved, etc. we need the assistance of scholars who have written books about them. Several 21st century books are in my answer.
Conclusion: If after considering the scholarly findings we can agree that the NT authors understood Jesus = θεός then eternal pre-existence of Jesus has been demonstrated. We should also then interpret the Christological Bible verses according to the Trinitarian interpretation because this is the authentic faith of the apostles.
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