Do the church fathers ever include quotes of Jesus that aren't from the Bible?
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There is a well-researched 2016 article from National Catholic Register Blog addressing precisely your question, which also includes "extra credit" by describing a Catholic framework for evaluating the credibility of "lost sayings" of Jesus: Are There "Lost Sayings" Of Jesus?
The technical term is Agrapha, and the wikipedia entry has candidates for consideration (under the section "Patristic Citations"):
Clement of Rome, First Epistle of Clement, 13: "For thus He spoke: 'Be ye merciful, that ye may obtain mercy; forgive, that it may be forgiven to you; as ye do, so shall it be done unto you; as ye judge, so shall ye be judged; as ye are kind, so shall kindness be shown to you; with what measure ye mete, with the same it shall be measured to you.'"
Polycarp of Smyrna, Epistle of Polycarp to the Philippians, 2, "but being mindful of what the Lord said in His teaching: 'Judge not, that ye be not judged; forgive, and it shall be forgiven unto you; be merciful, that ye may obtain mercy; with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again;' and once more, 'Blessed are the poor, and those that are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of God.'"
Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, 47: "Wherefore also our Lord Jesus Christ said, In whatsoever things I apprehend you, in those I shall judge you."
Clement of Alexandria, Stromata, I, 24, 158: "For ask, he says for the great things, and the small shall be added to you."
Clement of Alexandria, Stromata, I, 28, 177: "Rightly therefore the Scripture also in its desire to make us such dialecticians, exhorts us: Be approved moneychangers, disapproving some things, but holding fast that which is good."
Clement of Alexandria, Stromata, V, 10, 64: "For not grudgingly, he saith, did the Lord declare in a certain gospel: My mystery is for me and for the sons of my house."
Origen, Homily on Jeremiah, XX, 3: "But the Saviour himself saith: He who is near me is near the fire; he who is far from me, is far from the kingdom."
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Here is another example. It's either an allegorical parable or a literal eschatological prophecy of intensely flavored, micro-sized, grapes being giving sentient attributes:
- The elders who saw John, the disciple of the Lord, remembered that they had heard from him how the Lord taught in regard to those times, and said,
- The days will come in which vines will grow, each one having ten thousand branches, and in each branch ten thousand twigs,
- and in each true twig ten thousand shoots, and in each shoot ten thousand clusters, and on each cluster ten thousand grapes.
- Each grape, when pressed, will give twenty-five measures 9 of wine, and when any one of the holy ones takes hold of a cluster, another will cry out,
- ‘I am a better cluster, take me! Bless the Lord through me.’” - From Irenaeus, Against Heresies V 32. Citing Papias, Fourth Book of the Expositions on the Sayings of the Lord. Fragment 4:9-10 have parallel (with slight variations) in Hippolytus, Commentary on Daniel 4.60, which have been woven into the text.
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