What is a Christian's justification for a legal prohibition of homosexual marriage?

What is a Christian's justification for a legal prohibition of h*m*sexual marriage?

For a Christian, "h*m*sexual marriage" is a abomination, not a "marriage"; God defined what "marriage" is:

Genesis 2:24 man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh

A Christian cannot accept any kind of h*m*sexual activity, because this behavior defies God. Defiance toward God brings total depravity, death of society, and eternal sufferings - all consequences of rejecting God.

Romans 1:23-32 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

A Christian doesn't need to assume anything or to experience consequences of the laws toleranting h*m*sexual activities, because already has the examples in history (the bible is also a historic book):

Deuteronomy 29:22 Your children who follow you in later generations and foreigners who come from distant lands will see the calamities that have fallen on the land and the diseases with which the Lord has afflicted it.

Deuteronomy 29:23 The whole land will be a burning waste of salt and sulfur—nothing planted, nothing sprouting, no vegetation growing on it. It will be like the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, Admah and Zeboiim, which the Lord overthrew in fierce anger.

God warns the rulers, that make countries a Sodom's land:

Isaiah 1:10 Hear the word of the Lord, you rulers of Sodom; listen to the law of our God, you people of Gomorrah!

Isaiah 1:16-17 ...wash and make yourselves clean. Take your evil deeds out of my sight! Stop doing wrong, learn to do right! Seek justice, encourage the oppressed. Defend the cause of the fatherless, plead the case of the widow.

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

Jude 1:6-7 ... who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

A Christian is prepared to submit to rulers ...

1 Peter 2:13-14 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right.

Proverbs 29:4 By justice a king gives a country stability

... and to support them in their actions ...

1 Timothy 2:1-2 First of all, then, I urge you to offer to God petitions, prayers, intercessions, and expressions of thanks for all people, for kings, and for everyone who has authority, so that we might lead a quiet and peaceful life with all godliness and dignity.

... only if doesn't contradicts with God's ways.

Acts 5:29 Peter and the other apostles replied: “We must obey God rather than men!

A Christian is not judging peoples, even they call themselves h*m*sexuals or not ...

1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church?

... or appealing somehow to the authority justice against their persons.

1 Corinthians 6:1 Does any one of you, when he has a case against his neighbor, dare to go to law before the unrighteous and not before the saints?

A Christian fights against devil's schemes ...

Ephesians 6:11-12 Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

... and when the battle is losed, a Christian goes out from the depraved society ...

2 Corinthians 6:17 Therefore come out from them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you.

Genesis 18:26 The Lord said, “If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake.”

... to let to come God's wrath early ...

Romans 12:19 Do not take revenge, dear friends, but leave room for God's wrath. For it is written, "Vengeance belongs to me. I will pay them back, declares the Lord."

... for the death of the sinful nature to may save the spirits

1 Corinthians 5:5 hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.

Revelation 18:9 When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her.

It can be seen on this forum, not only in this topic, that supporters of h*m*sexuality or other sins, or the ignorants on this subject, they don't care about the sins, and souls, and God. They need definitions for these to make text analysis, silogistic constructions, valid assertions or just nice jokes playing with words ... avoiding the essence: disastrous consequences of the sin

Isn't this just terminology? Marriage already has a definition, which was unchanged for many millennia. In many Western countries where same-sex marriage is not allowed, there exists another form of social contract also applicable for same-sex couples, which is essentially the same as marriage, in all but name.

So the question can be inverted: what is the justification to (forcibly) change the meaning of a word in the English language (or other languages) to mean something different that it meant for many thousands of years? Homosexuality is decriminalized, so h*m*sexuals can pretty much do legally whatever they want. Yes, some people might harass them, but that would be illegal, even if the harassment is supported or tolerated by part of the population.

A lot of Christians, they have no objections against h*m*sexuality in itself (if they do it in private and don't parade naked through the streets), but they have an objection against taking a word which is sacred for them *, and using it for something else. I can bet that if you made an institution in the US which works exactly as marriage, but is called differently, there would be a lot less objection against it. However, the sad thing is that for a lot of politicians, it can be advantageous to fight for the "right" to be called a "marriage", because they can feed on the outcries of a lot of offended people, ridicule them, and build a political career out of it.

_{* for example, Muslims would be offended if you had a donkey and named it after their prophet. They would probably not object the fact that you have a donkey, nor would they care what you do with it in private, but if you brought it to a public place and declared how you named it, they would be (rightfully) offended.}

Let me restate your question to clarify one possible Christian viewpoint on the subject.

1. "Given that h*m*sexual behavior is considered a sin, what is a Christian's justification for the legal prohibition against h*m*sexual marriage?"

Let's reverse this question and look at it from both sides. The request for government protection of h*m*sexual marriage, and the reasons that the government should not do so from a Christian perspective. Then to your second point (slightly paraphrased below):

1. Should a Christian oppose the legality of other moral issues that are legal, but not condoned by Christian teaching?

Today the US federal government, protects the institution of marriage as defined, one man and one woman. Governments also protect civil rights. Protection against religious persecution. Freedom of speech, and also barring racial discrimination, just to name a few.

Some believe it's also discriminatory to oppose h*m*sexual marriage, but in the public square, there are many different opinions on any topic. It's quite easy to find opposing arguments on moral issues, as well as political ones. The important part of this is that all ideas be heard. Good ideas and opinions will stand the test of time. Bad ones will not.

So what we have are two opposing world views. One where anything goes, I want to do my own thing, I want to define marriage any way I want to. Just give me the liberty to live as I want. So long as two people love each other, how can that be bad? How can good people oppose that?

And then the other world view that says, Yes I do have free will and I do have choice. But I bow in submission to a loving God...not a cosmic bully who wants to beat me to death with his rules, but a loving God who says, here's a parameter. I've made man and I've made woman and I've made the institution of marriage. And when you step outside that institution and you engage in sexual activity, you're going to get hurt. And because our God loves us unconditionally, he hates it when we get hurt. And so we speak out and we speak the truth. And it isn't a matter of saying, well, we're haters because we have an opposing belief.

What's true is we are all sinners. Christians and h*m*sexuals, but we are sinners that are loved by an unconditional God.

Christians are not "imposing their belief system" nor are h*m*sexuals "imposing their belief system". What is true is we have opposing views on the subject. Christian doctrine on the subject is clear, God calls h*m*sexuality a sin. (1 Corinthians 6:9–10 among others). Certainly not the worst ones in God's sight, but His stance is clear on the topic.

Everyone is a sinner whether straight, gay, black, white, nice, bad, greedy, giving. Because all of us have sinned, (Romans 3:23) no one has a clean slate before God.

Everyone is condemned (John 3:18) unless we accept the free gift of salvation, which comes through the Grace of God, by faith in Jesus Christ. The free gift is available to all people. It's our choice to believe or reject it. That's the Christian faith.

So given the Christians position that we know God loves us and doesn't want to see anyone hurt by sinful choices. We stand with God on this and all other issues God is quite clear on in the bible. Not out of hate, but with the same compassion for someone else in the bondage of sin. So the real question is, should all choices be protected? Or are some better choices? Christians should speak the truth in love. If that means speaking an opposing view. Should opposition change the truth? I think not. Truth cannot be changed, only discovered.

There are books upon books of theology that explore the topic of h*m*sexuality. But, I think the Catholic response, as to why marriage and marriage-like statuses matter in secular institutions, is fairly well-summarized here.

Calling marriage between a man and a woman a fundamental part of human reality and the basic unit of society, the pope said, "No other form of relationship between persons can be considered as an equivalent to this natural relationship between a man and a woman out of whose love children are born." (americancatholic.com)

I believe this is in agreement, to a great extent, with the intended meaning behind claims along the lines of the bible defines marriage as X.

The main point is simply that loosening the criteria for marriage equates in the mind of the people things which are not equivalent. And one of those things, the religious understanding of marriage, has a deep and profound significance that is "injured." That is, religious marriage loses its ability to shed light on the intended spiritual reality when grouped, in terminology, concept, and treatment, with things that do not shed light on the same spiritual reality.

Furthermore, in Christian belief, the spiritual reality that Christian marriage reflects is that from which physical marriage's success, personal benefits, and societal benefits flow. As such, the nature of the legal/secular recognition of marriage and marriage-like relationships is vital to the spiritual well-being of the society, as well as in protecting the notion of marriage to its believers.

A common objection is that religion needs to keep its nose out of governmental dealings. But, this objection is fundamentally irrational, and in many cases, nothing more than a flagrant channel for hate. For in all other dealings, the origin of a belief is not considered and is not perceived to affect its truthiness, and its value to society is judged for the belief's inherent credibility and value. Either the belief reflects an applicable truth or it doesn't. Only when beliefs which are clearly and obviously offered from a religious setting is the source of truth perceived as problematic. And in fact, the bulk of most bodies of legislation reflect values held by the areas' predominating religions. But, they receive little to no criticism merely because the link to religion is ancient enough that we can pretend it doesn't exist.

Religion, to the extent it reveals and communicates truths, is and ought to be a source of influence in society on every level to the extent of its relevance.

To give a non-religious parallel ...

In my first years of college, I had several professors in my introductory sciences (psychology, chemistry, etc.) give, within the first few classes, a "sermon" against the pseudo-sciences, which often insist on calling or equating themselves and their findings with proper science. The terminology, the professors would accurately predict, as well as the loose equation drawn between a science and some non-science X, damages the ability of one to be properly receptive to the legitimate fruits of actual science. It prevents the fruits of real science from being properly consumed, if you will. And it trends the society towards bad "scholarly" practices, scientific ineptitude, and false beliefs.

Despite this warning, the professors would then be forced, as the course progressed, to do battle with students, non-traditionals in particular, who were effectively un-doctrinated by pseudoscientific counterparts and who often had no idea how tainted their perception had become. They did battle, so to speak, with folks who no longer properly understood what science is, why the scientific method and good scholarly rules revealed truisms, were often unable to work within the scientific framework, and therefore struggled and often lashed out at the professors for being "closed-minded."

^{(And while it's not beyond a professor to be closed-minded, it's not a valid accusation against someone trying to communicate the reason for and importance of adhering to good scholarly practices.)}

I'd be willing to bet, if those professors could make the pseudosciences illegal, they would.

I found this question and conversation very interesting!

Audience

First, I think it is important to identify which Christians' justifications are actually relevant. For Christians who regard h*m*sexuality as a sin, there are a few potential courses of action:

• Talk about it. (This may include preaching, complaining, arguing, etc.) If this talk never leads to political action, I'm not sure why this person would have (or need) a "justification for legal prohibition". (It would be a bit like one American asking another American, "What is your justification for North Korea submitting a request to join the United States?")
• Become a legislator. (In America, voters would fall into this category.) The legislator, being appointed by God, would first need to answer the question, "Should our country be governed by God's laws?" (which I answer "yes" in this post) followed by the question "Should a nation governed by God's laws condemn h*m*sexuality?" (which I will answer in a moment.)
• Leave. God called Lot to leave Sodom prior to destroying the city for their great wickedness (most notably, sodomy.) Point being - legislation isn't always the answer God is seeking. If you have reached the stage of "shaking the dust off your feet" and leaving a place, one might even argue that it would be better to allow God to bring such a place to judgment.

In other words, I would argue that the only relevant answer would be to the question:

Should a nation governed by God's laws condemn h*m*sexuality?

1. As you indicated, we are presupposing that h*m*sexuality is a sin. (In fact, it is the result of deep depravity.) Scripture teaches us that God's expectation is for those in authority to punish evil. Therefore, I believe it makes sense for a nation following God's intentions to outlaw h*m*sexuality.
2. I am assuming we all acknowledge that one of the primary functions of government is to protect its citizens. Given that God's reaction to Sodom for their outrageous sins (most notably sodomy) was to wipe them off the face of the planet as an example to everyone else, it seems wise for legislators seeking the welfare of their citizens to guard against walking after the ways of Sodom!

Objections

A common retort takes the form of, "Then why not make it illegal to mix fabrics too?" I can't answer every specific instance of this objection in my post, but I will address questions of this form. In general, questions of this form either arise from ignorance (e.g. many laws were mere shadows of what was to come), or are legitimate. If they are legitimate, then it is not an objection - it is an additional point to argue in favor of when designing legislation!

If you refer to a legal Christian justification?

None.

Oh, There is the Bible stance, that's well known and documented here, I don't need to repeat it. There is the personal moral view, that's all over this topic, no need to revisit it.

I do see a general "fear" in the answers, ~"If people perform h*m*sexual acts, God's gonna punish us all." (paraphrased.) Then again, isn't that the crux of it?

If you believed that others activities in the bedroom (or where ever or what ever) will get you baked in fire and brimstone with the rest of the 'sinners', then sure, ya, you are going to want to stop it at all cost, Right?

If you 'feared' God was going to punish Homosexuals, and you could get all caught up in the action because of something someone else did, why wouldn't you defend your self?

Case in point:

Having "h*m*sexual families" will imply necesity of "h*m*sexual education" which will develop into a "h*m*sexual culture" with keep on growing population in a society which will redefine normality. As a result of DEEP AND WIDE DEPRAVITY they will call "evil good and good evil" (Isaiah 5:20)

A Christian doesn't need to experience the "h*m*sexual marriage" in HIS society, to taste its fruits, for him and for his children, and for all next generations.

Thus, a 'fear' of being caught up in Gods wrath if someone else did something bad. That's the entire argument against h*m*sexuality, here repeated over and over in various ways.

So, this is my answer:

the Christian justification is fear, not of the Homosexual, but of getting caught up in God being mad at the Homosexual and getting caught up in the mess. They believe this long enough it becomes their own fear.

This is juxtaposed to the issues faced by the legal problems faced by those in Homosexual relationships. I refer to end-of-life, visitations, medical, and all the other "LEGAL" issues that are defined by the Government due to the law and its relationship to marriage.

So, you have people who can not get legal fairness under the law due to the fear of select religious beliefs of other groups. That's the undisputed fact on the ground. Due to religious belief, it is the law of the land in various states that Homosexual marriage is illegal, thus denying the rights afforded only by marriage under U.S. Law.

Treat us all fairly under the law, that's what we all ask of our Government, is it not? Any variance of that is a more true danger to our society then the Homosexual lifestyle ever could be.

If that is such a big issue, then remove legal rights for those married as apposed to the unmarried so the Government doesn't have to weigh in on religious issues at all in this.

My own personal beliefs vary, I have come from a Pentecostal up-bringing, (and they are almost the most fire and brimstone as you can get) and have moved to a more 'universalism' viewpoint. I am not Gay, But that's not what is going on. To think the Government would make Law on various Religious beliefs and not on the equal rights of individuals is a slippery slope indeed. See how well that serves Iran as an example. Law dominated by the Religion, and what rights it affords them.

It is not for a woman to speak in church, should that be made a law?
How is it legal to work on Sunday... (assuming your specific interpolation puts it the day of rest actually on Sunday.)

See, this list could go on and on and on. This specifically is a hot topic because of the 'fear' of being overrun by people who, for what ever the reason, have Homosexual behavior, and then being told because of another person's religious belief, they can't have have equal protection under the law. If it wasn't for the legal part of this, this would be as much a non-issue as p**n or gambling. ("We don't care, just don't do it in front of us.") You can still get Porn, and you can still gamble, but you can't take legal action for your partner, and you are fired from your carrier. That's where it's at.

Pastor Bobby Scott of Los Angeles Community Bible Church wrote an open letter to President Obama making these points:

1. The generalization that advocates of traditional marriage hate or are bigoted against people who don't have a traditional family is an invalid non-sequitur and ad hominem argument.

2. Marriage has traditionally been between one man and one woman. Therefore the burden of proof rests on those who desire change to provide answers to the questions:

   a. Why change it?

   b. On what basis would a group morally seek to change the definition of marriage?

3. One possible answer to these questions is for the sake of love. But if gay couples must be allowed to marry on the basis of love, nothing prevents people in other types of relationships from claiming the same justification. Society must place some boundaries on marriage.

4. Another possible answer to the questions in #2 is to correct prior injustice along the lines of the civil rights movement. But this argument fails as well since the courts and prosecutors systematically failed to address injustices committed against African Americans as recently as 1963. Meanwhile, h*m*sexuals receive proper legal protections both by governments and society. Therefore this argument fails as a category mistake.

5. From one Christian to another, Pastor Scott reminds the President that God loves all sinners (heterosexual and h*m*sexual alike). But God's love does not override His holiness to allow sinners to define what is right. The way God threaded the needle between His holiness and His love was via the work of Jesus on the cross. [I don't think this particular point is addressed to American society at large, but to the Christian cross-section.]

6. Separation of church and state does not mean that religious people are excluded from public debate. Nor does it mean that religious arguments have no place in shaping society. Rather, the Founding Fathers rejected the idea that the United States should become a theocracy. When the question has been put to them, the majority of voters (both Christian and non-Christian) have signaled that they do not want to change the definition of marriage. [This point and the next are in the comments.]

7. It was wrong to establish laws against interracial marriage because it changed the definition of marriage. The Biblical (and in the United States, historical) definition of marriage is based neither on "color" nor "love".

From Romans 1, we understand that h*m*sexual activity is a result of a people who know God, but choose not to glorify Him as God. In other words, it is a symptom of a society that has rejected God.

From a theological point of view, a Christian could oppose gay marriage on the grounds that his government is, acting on his behalf, calling "evil good and good evil," directly rejecting the prescribed order. It is tantamount to the society as a whole rejecting God. As one who has a vested interest in not rejecting God, I do not want my government, acting on my behalf, endorsing that which I detest.

This is an active endors*m*nt of a sin, as opposed to mere toleration as would be the case with merely allowing activities that are otherwise sinful. Indeed, all of what is listed could be considered adiaphora - it is clearly not good stuff, and is actively discouraged amongst those who choose to follow "The Way," but there is no justification for legal compulsion to the contrary. In contrast, a government explicitly deriving its power from the consent of the governed is making a explicit endors*m*nt of the normative nature of same-sex relationships in declaring marriage "equal" to heterosexual relationships.

(For the non Christians, a quick disclaimer. I understand we live in a pluralistic society. I realize I would be "imposing my beliefs" on others with this argument. I am simply answering the question, not even taking a stand - though today's news did greatly sadden me. Please vote on the theological justification, do not impose your "tolerance" and pluralism on me. You will note, I am not calling for the pitchforks. I'm just choosing to exercise my rights as a citizen to voice my disapproval, and to show that contrary to what people say, it does affect me. )

Additionally, a Christian would argue that marriage is an institution ordained by God, not a function of the state. When Jesus said, "for this reason a man shall leave his mother and cling to his wife," it is because that is the order which God prescribed. A Christian response would ask why the state gets to (re-)define that which God has defined and put together.

Fundamentally, the real question has less to do with h*m*sexuality itself, and far more to do with the question of whether marriage is a secular or a theological institution. As one who sees marriage as predating governments, I tend to think its none of the government's business.