How true is the statement "Soviet troops got into Berlin riding American trucks, walking in American boots and using American trains"?
score:30
As others have pointed out, it will never be possible to answer this question conclusively based on documents, because the Soviet officials have always been eager to downplay (for the propaganda reasons) the importance of the Allied contribution to the war in general and Lend-Lease in particular, so all the official Soviet sources are suspect (as, by the nature of the USSR, they cannot be independently verified).
The only way to evaluate the impact of L-L is based on circumstantial evidence.
As mentioned by @Kunikov, the Soviets stopped truck production - but they could not produce anything comparable to Studebakers they were receiving from the US anyway.
The Soviets stopped locomotive production too - and the factories producing them switched to medium and heavy tank production (in fact, given the nature of the Soviet industry, tanks were the main output of the "locomotive plants" from the get go, locomotives were just a side show).
The Soviets could not produce "aviation-grade" (high-octane) gasoline. Savitsky in his memoirs writes that when the US stopped delivering the aviation gasoline in June 1945, the speed of his fighter planes dropped by 10-20%. This seems enormously significant.
Zhukov in his private conversations admits that the L-L was crucial wrt gunpowder, explosives, steel, trucks.
Mikoyan said that without the L-L the war would have lasted for an extra 1-1.5 years. This is a very critical admission: the Soviet resources, especially the human ones (the army was huge, but there were no men left at home), were largely exhausted by 1945, so it is quite possible that, without L-L, the SU would have been forced to settle for a stalemate to avoid a national collapse (circumstantial evidence of the danger of the regime collapse is provided by the concessions to the church in 1943).
The bottom line is that, yes, "Soviet troops got into Berlin riding American trucks, walking in American boots and using American trains" (and eating American food), but they also flew both American and Soviet aircraft, rode mostly Soviet tanks, fired Soviet rifles and canons (with US gunpowder) &c &c &c. Without the Western Allies, both their military action and Lend-Lease, the SU would have certainly not been in Berlin in 1945, and might not even been there in 1946, if ever.
PS. This is a very touchy subject for the Russians, so be careful what you believe...
PPS. See Did Russia Really Go It Alone? How Lend-Lease Helped the Soviets Defeat the Germans and the very entertaining flamewar in comments.
Upvote:-2
Firstly let's talk about the total aide that Russia was provided with through the Lend/Lease Act. It appears as though by 1946, the United States had lent about $51 billion in total with $11 billion going to aide the Soviet Union. That's a substantial proportion. Almost 25% of American aide going to the Soviets.
But with the total amount of Soviet military production unknown, it's difficult to say exactly how much the Americans contributed.
With a little more digging, I can give you some estimates of what the Soviets attacked Berlin with and we can make some extrapolations from that. In 1945 it was estimated that the Russians had produced approximately 57,300 tanks (See Zaloga, Steven J., Jim Kinnear (1996). T-34-85 Medium Tank 1944–94, Oxford: Osprey Publishing.). According to this article on wikipedia 20,000 tanks and artillery pieces* were deployed to the battle. Among them were the Russian T34, SU-152, ISU-122 and the Iosif Stalin tank or the IS2. All of these were Russian tanks. Based on the known production numbers and the sheer force of Soviet troops mustered for the battle, it seems that roughly a third of the Red Army's tanks being deployed is not an unfeasible amount.
Further, eyewitness accounts of Soviet troops going into battle with nothing but tattered rags, the looted boots of SS troops clutching their battered Mosin-Nagant rifles lends credence to the idea I am suggesting. Namely that by the invasion of Berlin, Soviet troops had marched into the city with Soviet equipment, or the lack thereof. What they didn't have they did without. Even boots it seemed were scavenged from SS troops.
In short, if someone could find data on the total military prowess of the Russian industrial complex we could equate that to how much the Americans provided and determine if the American aide contributed significantly to Russian military operations leading up to the fall of Berlin. But bsed on my cursory research it seems unlikely that the Red Army derived such a significant advantage from US supply as to lend the quotation any real weight. It seems by 1945, the Soviets were on their own.
As a sidenote, the US lent over $31 billion to England, totaling over 60% of the Lend/Lease act.
*Although it is disputed by this site which cites Russian artillery pieces totaling 41,600. Note that while the Soviets made the trek to Russia they also encountered foreign tanks which were commandeered or joined the invasion of Berlin.
Though outside your time frame, this article details the termination of lend/lease a mere weeks after the capture of Berlin. Interpret it as you will.
Upvote:0
As for those Soviet Built Tanks.
Armor steel had a special place in these shipments, especially in the production of tanks, self-propelled guns and other equipment. Mobilization reserve of armored steel in the Soviet Union before the war was small and did not cover even 6-month industry needs. According to some data, 525.4 thousand tons of rolled steel of all types was delivered to the USSR under Lend-Lease. Every month, the country received about half of average amount of Soviet production of armored steel. Special steel for gun barrel drifting was also delivered".
https://histrf.ru/uploads/media/default/0001/12/df78d3da0fe55d965333035cd9d4ee2770550653.pdf
Upvote:7
Here are the numbers and no speculations.
The share of lend-lease supplies to the total number of produced and delivered to the USSR products -
- 12% - tanks
- 8% - Self-propelled gun
- 12% - Airplanes
- 3% - Guns and mortars
- 22% - Ships
- 63% - Cars and trucks
- 1% - Firearms
- 3% - Gasoline
- 40% - Aviation petrol
- 35% - Rails
- 72% - Locomotives
- 35% - Explosives
- 55% - Aluminium
- 45% - Сopper
- 30% - Tyres
- 30% - Sugar
- 5% - Cotton
- 24% - Metal-working machines and presses
Numbers are taken from many sources and most of them in Russian language. But confirmation to most of numbers can be found in book of Stettinius E.R. Jr. Lend-Lease: Weapon For Victory. — New York: Macmillan Co.; 1944.
Stettinius E.R. was United States Secretary of State from 1944 to 1945
Upvote:11
In other words, how significant was American lend-lease in helping the Soviet front? Would the Soviets be suffering a lot more had lend-lease not happen, or was it not as significant as people make out?
This is a very hard question to answer for numerous reasons and one that will never be answered to everyone's satisfaction. Here are some things to consider and some problems that frequently come up when you're dealing with Lend Lease.
First off, significant Lend Lease aid was not felt until 1943. The Lend Lease that arrived before was nowhere near enough to make a decisive difference on how 1941 and 1942 turned out. There are some articles/arguments that have recently come out which attempt to argue that the Lend Lease tanks that did make it in 1941 played a decisive role in the defense of Moscow, but I don't believe they are conclusive enough (see the following article: British “Lend-Lease” Tanks and the Battle for Moscow, November–December 1941—A Research Note).
Secondly, the immediate problems that come up when attempting to qualify Lend Lease are the following. Just quoting numbers of what was sent is not enough. One needs to account for what was sent, when it arrived (and how much arrived), and when it was actually incorporated into the Red Army and used in the field. Additionally, one has to keep in mind that the Soviets began to scale back production of certain things because they knew they would receive them through Lend Lease. One example is trucks. The Soviets were producing practically none because they knew to expect them through Lend Lease, but that doesn't mean they couldn't produce more if they needed to. Many former truck producing factories were switched over to light tank production. Since the Red Army moved to relying on medium and heavy tanks, light tanks were something the Red Army could in theory do without or with less of. This type of analysis needs to be applied to everything the Soviet Union received. Specifically, what they received, if it was not coming through Lend Lease what were the alternatives? Meaning could they produce it internally or import it from another state/country (England, Canada, etc.). The Soviet Union did not just receive Lend Lease from the US.
Finally, the Soviet Union participated in reverse Lend Lease, sending back materials to the US. All of the above is just the tip of the huge iceberg that studying Lend Lease means, it's simply impossible to account for all the variables.
More post
- 📝 What was the prevalence of ethnic minorities in 15th century Bohemia?
- 📝 Did German win any victories between Normandy and Bulge?
- 📝 How many troops did the Confederate and Union army have in each year of the Civil War?
- 📝 How did the ruling class in the Muslim world react to the discovery and colonization of the Americas?
- 📝 What was 250,000 rubles worth in 1918?
- 📝 Khagantes, Aghas, and Sultanates, a feudalism of the east?
- 📝 Did Peter the Great promote rights for women? If so, how?
- 📝 Wasn't it a tactical mistake for Saladin to send fruits and water to Richard I when ill?
- 📝 Where can I find an explanation of the variations in style of Egyptian hieroglyphs?
- 📝 Why were the Normans such good builders?
- 📝 Did American slave holders typically give their slaves the names of Roman nobility?
- 📝 How did Germany rebuild so quickly after World War I?
- 📝 What was the death toll of non-Americans in the Vietnam War?
- 📝 Which Imperial Russian officials created and verified passports?
- 📝 What is the meaning of this samurai crest?
- 📝 When did the Roman Forum fall into disuse?
- 📝 How/why did Plzeň become the "armourer" for Austria-Hungary?
- 📝 What did Lord Carnarvon study at Trinity College Cambridge?
- 📝 What were the names of these two Ancient Greek boxing/pankration legends?
- 📝 Are there any communist countries that were model high functioning societies?
- 📝 Was the attempt to take Stalingrad a distraction to the original objectives of the German Sixth Army during Case Blue in 1942?
- 📝 My Grandfather-Nationalist boarding schools in Nazi Germany
- 📝 How blockadable was the Strait of Gibraltar before Operation "Torch?"
- 📝 Was there a case where a king died while the heir to the throne was unborn?
- 📝 Where does the concept of traffic keeping to the "right" side of the street originate?
- 📝 Cannon Aiming: Spanish vs English and Chinese vs English?
- 📝 How did Japan successfully conquer Vietnam (Southeast Asia) in WW2?
- 📝 Who captured Kaifeng from the Jin during the war between Jin and the Sung Mongol alliance?
- 📝 What does this quote from the Roman imperial poet Rutilius mean?
- 📝 Counterfactual reasoning and analogical reasoning
Source: stackoverflow.com
Search Posts
Related post
- 📝 How true is the statement "Soviet troops got into Berlin riding American trucks, walking in American boots and using American trains"?
- 📝 In the Battle of the Coral Sea, how could two Japanese scouts grossly mis-identify two American ships?
- 📝 How serious was Fermat's statement about the ancients?
- 📝 How did the American Civil War help the U.S economy recover from the Panic of 1857 given that civil wars are extremely destructive?
- 📝 When did the term "Nationality" first come into use? How did ancient civilizations refer to themselves? By ethnicity?
- 📝 How difficult was to escape from a naval battle after engaging into one during the Age of Sail?
- 📝 How heavily were the British taxing their American colonies?
- 📝 How and why was the boundary between West and East Berlin decided to be where it was?
- 📝 How long did it take for a diplomat to travel between Berlin and Vienna in the 1770's?
- 📝 How does Göbekli Tepe fit into the current picture of society development?
- 📝 How compare the rights and conditions of the American slaves to those of Russian serfs?
- 📝 How were the West Berlin air corridors negotiated?
- 📝 Which Confederate State provided the most troops in the American Civil War?
- 📝 How were the British and French armies invited into Belgium in 1914?
- 📝 How common was it for un-documented ships to bring settlers to the American colonies 1700-1750
- 📝 Is it true that slavery was banned from discussion on the Senate and/or House floor before the American Civil War?
- 📝 How much of the Jonestown money actually got given to the USSR?
- 📝 How many acres per person were needed for the early American settlers vs. the native Americans?
- 📝 How did the way commanders ask their troops to deal with the immediate death of their comrades vary by country/culture during WWII?
- 📝 How were the first American citizens granted citizenship?
- 📝 How quickly did the knowledge of the existence of the new world spread into the old world?
- 📝 How did the English Civil War affect the American Colonies policy-wise?
- 📝 How did the Medici originally get into finance?
- 📝 How many troops would the White Armies have had at their peak during the Russian Civil War?
- 📝 How did American colonial rights and conditions compare to those within the British Isles?
- 📝 Is it true that there were American POWs in Soviet captivity after the Second World War?
- 📝 How far into the past was significance ascribed to the Golden Ratio?
- 📝 How difficult was Muraviev's amassing of troops for the forcing of the Treaty of Aigun, and what effects on development did it have?
- 📝 How high the death rate on the Berlin Wall compared to other borders?
- 📝 How true to the originals are Che Guevara's published diaries?