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Predestination is a Choice of God to elect many not all people foremost in his kingdom without the will of their choice..Many are predestined to call but only few are chosen..All the prophets in the old testament were predestined down the generation of Noah to serve God...All the prophets in the old testament had a special calling from the Lord through the generations of God's Chosen family..The apostles in the new testament are called to serve the lord..The 12 pack...But only a few were chosen by grace not by works unless you can boast on your good deeds and arrogance...Predestination is really the same as his ELECTION of people in whom God have his highest interest but i'm sure others will be saves again by God's grace..Paul being a murderer of Christians was chosen by God to serve out of all other people in that area ..Heavenly father is simuliar to humans as well , we all have our picks and choosing..There is nowhere in the bible thats says how we get to chose to get to heaven and Jesus says no one can come to the son unless the father draws HIM..Thats your heavenly ticket..Peace
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2 Thessalonians 2;1-12, is referring to the delusions and chaos in the last days, and the rampant wickedness that will prevail.
Mathew 24;37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Genesis 6;5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughtsof his heart was only evil continually.
I believe it a reasonable assumption, that the wickedness of present times far surpasses that of Noah's days. However, the plan of salvation is open to all, even the most wicked. No one alive is excluded or without hope. Only, those who have died in their wickedness.
1 Thessalonians 4;13 But I would not have you to be ignorant brethren,concerning them which are asleep, that you sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
John 5;28-29 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, to the resurrection of damnation.
As for man's birth, we are all prone to rebellion and wickedness.
Psalms 51;5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
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In order to understand those passages, we have to take several other things into mind. Paul was writing this letter to the Thessalonians after having gotten word back from them following his first letter.
Also remember in Acts where everyone was getting together selling their possessions and living in a communal group, the reason for that was that those people expected Christ to return for them right away. Paul especially thought that Jesus return would be during his lifetime.
After years had passed and Christ had not returned as most of his disciples expected, many rumors began to circulate and among them were some which declared that Jesus had returned already.
Paul's second letter to the church in Thessalonica is a plea to not listen to those rumors. So let's break down his letter and see what we can extract from it.
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
Here Paul is referring to the rapture of the church as described in his first letter to them.
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Here Paul is saying don't pay any attention to all these rumors.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Or; don't let people fool you, remember that before Christ returns the prophesy of:
Daniel 11:31 and 32
And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
Must be fulfilled, (This same event is referred to in Revelation and is the beginning of the great tribulation)
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
This is the Antichrist.
Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
Don't you remember me explaining these things to you, so now you know why there is a delay.
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
And see it is already started, and God will let these things continue even including the coming of the Antichrist, who will even perform miracles.
So now let's take a look at where you where you have your trouble understanding.
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
I believe where your confusion comes, is because you need some clarification on predestination:
Predestination is the concept that some people are predestined by God to not receive Salvation and receive eternal damnation.
Predestination is greatly misunderstood; That some will be eternally damned is not the will of God.
Matthew 18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
Predestination is based on the fact that God is All Knowing. Or in other words God knew even before Creation who would and who would not accept Salvation. And based on that fore knowledge during the Great Tribulation, God will allow those who you indicated to be deceived by the Antichrist, since Satan does not really have any power, to accomplish anything unless God permits it.
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According to Ephesians 2:12, we learn "that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world." This tells me that the whole world is without the hope of a glorious future apart when from Christ.
It is Christ's blood sacrifice for our sins and bodily resurrection that jump-starts hope in us: "But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been made near by the blood of Christ" (Eph. 2:13).
Short answer: yes, people are born without hope. Through the gospel, our disobedience can be repented of through faith in Jesus, and hope begun. The people in your passage have chosen to not believe and take the way of escape.