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This question is base on the previous asked question’s answer.
That question was Do artists/entertainers accumulate positive merit when people enjoy their craft?
The answer depends on the questioner’s 'world view'. If the person belongs to the ’normal world’ (Laymen life) the answer is YES. But if he considering the 'transcendental world' view then the answer is NO.
6.43 If the good or bad exercise of the will does alter the world, it can alter only the limits of the world, not the facts—not what can be expressed by means of language. In short the effect must be that it becomes an altogether different world. It must, so to speak, wax and wane as a whole. The world of the happy man is a different one from that of the unhappy man.( Tractatus)
SO the magician belongs to the lay world, But the philosopher is different. He may belong to the lay world or the transcendental world according to his wish.
The Conventional truths belong to the lay world and Ultimate truths are for the transcendental word. The merits and sins are related to the lay world. Comparing the transcendental world to merits and sins should be avoided. ("Pungna papa paheenassa.." or Avid merit and sin) ('Thalaputta sutta' should consider on this view.)
To get some idea about the normal world.
6.41 The sense of the world must lie outside the world. In the world everything is as it is, and everything happens as it does happen: in it no value exists—and if it did exist, it would have no value. If there is any value that does have value, it must lie outside the whole sphere of what happens and is the case. For all that happens and is the case is accidental. What makes it non-accidental cannot lie within the world, since if it did it would itself be accidental. It must lie outside the world.( Tractatus)
For example take forest and trees paradox.
Is there a forest? Only trees.
Only trees are real , Forest is a construct of a viewer.
6.45 To view the world sub specie aeterni is to view it as a whole—a limited whole. Feeling the world as a limited whole—it is this that is mystical. (Tractatus)
So the forest is the ( limited) world. That is
Neither from itself nor from another, Nor from both, Nor without a cause, Does anything whatever, anywhere arise.
6.5 When the answer cannot be put into words, neither can the question be put into words. The riddle does not exist. If a question can be framed at all, it is also possible to answer it.
5.6 The limits of my language mean the limits of my world.
5.61 Logic pervades the world: the limits of the world are also its limits. So we cannot say in logic, 'The world has this in it, and this, but not that.' For that would appear to presuppose that we were excluding certain possibilities, and this cannot be the case, since it would require that logic should go beyond the limits of the world; for only in that way could it view those limits from the other side as well. We cannot think what we cannot think; so what we cannot think we cannot say either. (Tractatus)
Eastern philosophy riddle – In Yoga Vasistha,
“O sage, kindly enlighten me on this problem of liberation - which one of the two is conducive to liberation, work or knowledge?
Agastya replied:
Verily, birds are able to fly with their two wings; even so both work and knowledge together lead to the supreme goal of liberation.”
Here work means ethics, and knowledge is for wisdom about the reality. Both factors are essential for liberation.(Ultimate truth).
6.42 So too it is impossible for there to be propositions of ethics. Propositions can express nothing that is higher. 6.421 It is clear that ethics cannot be put into words. Ethics is transcendental. (Ethics and aesthetics are one and the same.) (Tractatus)
So What is Ultimate Truth?
He who knows 'I am not', 'Nor does the other exist', "Nor is there non-existence', and whose mental activity has thus come to a standstill, is not engrossed in acquisitiveness. O Rama, there is no bondage here other than craving for acquisition, and the anxiety to avoid what one considers undesirable. Do not succumb to such anxiety, and do not let acquisition of what is considered desirable be your goal. Giving up both these attitudes, rest in what remains.
Some might say this contradicts with the Tractatus
• 5.621 The world and life are one.
•5.63 I am my world. (The microcosm.)
If you feel different then consider this, In the Tractatus
6.54 he states
My propositions are elucidatory in this way: he who understands me finally recognizes them as senseless, when he has climbed out through them, on them, over them. (He must so to speak throw away the ladder, after he has climbed up on it.) He must transcend these propositions, and then he will see the world aright.
So now the question;
If a magic trick led to the thought process of searching for ultimate truth, while not rejecting conventional truth, as is the stance of most schools of Buddhism, what kind of karma would that create?
So the answer will be depend on the world.(regarding)
Your closing paragraph should be read in context with the paragraph before and after it.
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From what I understand and in line with Buddho's comments above, the kind of karma created depends on the motivation of the magician or philosopher (at least as far as he/she is concerned).
A more complete understanding of conventional would help here I think. It is not limited to the physical, but consists of all appearances that make up our ordinary experience (whether taken as physical or mental). The sanskrit is saṃvṛtisatya, with a root meaning of something that 'covers' or 'conceals' truth (satya).
So by its very nature conventional truth always give us opportunities to recognize its delusive and obscuring qualities, simply through looking directly into it. Being misleading (generating the impression of reified subjects and objects from the experience of dependent origination) is simply the nature of conventional experience; and something's true nature will become more evident the more it is examined. Not only a magician, but a rainbow or your reflection in a pond can trigger insight by highlighting this pervasive quality of conventional truth. I'm not used to seeing philosophers added to the mix - but why not, unless the philosopher is teaching some intellectual viewpoint (like reductive materialism) that further obscures direct experience.
Thus, great teachers such as Āryadeva encourage us to contemplate various examples that highlight this pervasive quality of conventional reality:
Samsaric existence is the same as / A fire-brand wheel, an emanation, a dream, / An illusion, a moon in water, fog, / An interior echo, a mirage, a cloud”
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It would create good karma. Why?