Is a via positiva, cataphatic definition of Nibbāna possible?

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Nirvana isn't a thing.
Were it a thing it'd be subject to aging and death.
No thing exists
Without aging and death.

If nirvana were a thing,
It'd be compounded.
A non-compounded thing,
Doesn't exist anywhere.

If nirvana were a thing,
It'd be conditioned.
A non-conditioned thing,
Doesn't exist anywhere.

Nirvana isn't the absence of a thing.
How could it be the absence of a thing?
Just as it's not a thing,
It can't be the absence of a thing.

If nirvana were the absence of a thing,
How could it be non-conditioned?
Whatever is non-conditioned,
Can't be the absence of a thing.

The absence of a thing is dependent
Upon the thing of which it's the absence of.
Since things themselves are dependent,
Their absence is also dependent.

Things arise and cease
Dependent upon causes and conditions.
Nirvana as taught by the Buddha
Is independent of causes and conditions.

The Buddha taught relinquishing the
Becoming and passing away of things.
Therefore it should be understood that
Nirvana isn't a thing nor the absence of a thing.

"That which is neither a thing nor the absence of a thing"
Can only be established as a real and genuine fact,
If the things of which it speaks and their absences as well,
Can be established as real and genuine facts.

If even the Buddha himself
Can't be established as a real and genuine fact,
How can other lesser things,
Be so established?

The complete relinquishment of fabrications
Was taught by the Buddha as bliss.
Nirvana can't be established through the
Proliferation of fabrications.

Relying upon things as real and genuine facts,
Can't bring about the cessation of fabrications.
The Buddha taught that even the Tathagata,
Should not be relied upon as a real and genuine fact.

No real and genuine Buddha,
Taught a real and genuine Dharma,
To be relied upon by anyone, anywhere,
At any place or at any time.

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impermanence or disintegration is the lack of a thing being able to endure into the next moment thru its own power

therefore the ending of the thing is the nature of its production.

like that ur death is uncaused by virtue of ur having been born. u need nothing else and so ur death is unconditioned.

similarly nirvana is this but applied to your mind and its afflictions. once u can perceive negation/unconditioned/absences on command accurately u are well on the way to nirvana.

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I found this answer helpful.

The experience I asked about in the question, i.e. the thought or experience which prompted the question, could be phrased as a positive ...

"I'm glad I did X which was a good thing!"

... but when I experienced it, it was more precisely phrased as a negative ...

"I'm glad I didn't do Y which would have been a bad thing!"

Perhaps that's analogous to AN 9.34 quoted in ruben2020's answer

The fact that nothing is felt is precisely what’s blissful about it.

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Both cataphatic and apophatic definitions of Nibbana are reconciled here:

At one time Venerable Sāriputta was staying near Rājagaha, in the Bamboo Grove, the squirrels’ feeding ground.

There he addressed the mendicants: “Reverends, Nibbana is bliss! Nibbana is bliss!”

When he said this, Venerable Udāyī said to him, “But Reverend Sāriputta, what’s blissful about it, since nothing is felt?”

“The fact that nothing is felt is precisely what’s blissful about it.
AN 9.34

Please read the rest of this sutta.

Nibbana is experienced by the mind when it is completely free of defilements.

It is bliss because it is free of suffering and discontent.

It's the experience of the lack of dukkha that makes it a pleasure.

If you can understand what is dukkha (suffering and discontent) then you can use that to understand Nibbana a little more easily.

Nibbana is the extinguishment of dukkha or unbinding to dukkha.

OP: When language itself is mired in conditionality, a slave to the world of perceptions and conceptualization, how can we even try to use it to convey the meaning of the unconditioned, asaṃskṛt Nirvāṇa? Isn’t it a semantic impossibility?

Both Nibbana and dukkha are empty of inherent substance or svabhāva (that is given to it by the mind) according to Nagarjuna.

That means it's not what you think it is.

What you conceptualize with your mind is papanca.

So trying to describe Nibbana with words would be like trying to describe the sweetness of a mango with words, to someone who has never tasted a mango and worse still, by someone who has never tasted a mango himself.

And that's the genius of Nagarjuna.

He slaps you philosophically and wakes you up to understand papanca.

The true Nibbana is also the complete and permanent end of papanca. This can be found in MN 1.

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