Coronavirus affected co-passenger; what to do?

3/19/2020 8:28:47 PM

There is lot of misinformation going around on this; so lets break it down. First off, at the time of writing the chances that someone on a Munich-London flight has the Coronavirus are extremely remote. There are currently a dozen or so cases in Bavaria, in a population of millions.

Second, you will not be able to tell if the person has “the symptoms”, or are you going to take their temperature? If someone is coughing and sneezing, the most likely chance is that they have a common cold.

If they have fever, it is still more likely to be influenza than coronavirus.

Of course you will still want to avoid contracting any disease, especially influenza, which is also serious. The measures are kind of always the same: Wash your hands often, especially after being in public places, and don’t touch your face. Also, it is a good idea to get vaccinated against the flu (though it doesn’t help against the coronavirus).

If there is space, you may politely ask the crew to be restated; nobody enjoys sitting next to a sick person.

And if you believe the person next to you to be seriously unwell, for any reason, you should inform the crew so that they can assess if the passenger is fit to fly.

In short: You should do the same things that you always do when sitting next to a “sick” person.

Should the virus spread more widely, you should follow the advice of the official health authorities – and not stuff that you read on the internet.

Addition

The original answer made sense at the time (the cases in Munich were completely contained at that point, there was almost zero chance of meeting someone infected).

Things have changed now. If you still fly, and someone is showing symptoms there may be a fairly high chance of them being infected. In which case you should ask the flight crew, and ask to be re-seated. Consider yourself at risk, and self-quarantine for one or two weeks; if you are in a vulnerable group contact your doctor and try to get tested.

That said, if you’re further away from the person, it is unlikely the virus ever gets to you before getting sucked up by the air filters.

2/2/2020 4:13:28 PM

The latest news is that the virus cannot be contained, it will end up spreading around the World. A significant fraction of the World’s population will get infected by it. So, chances are that at its peak, the outbreak will cause massive disruption of healthcare systems, making it difficult to get adequate treatment if you happen to get very ill with the disease at that time. So, it’s best to get infected with this virus as soon as possible. You should therefore not request a seat change.

But wait, surely we would want to have a lot more evidence before doing something unconventional like deliberately getting infected? But the problem is that you are in the plane and you need to act within minutes. Are you going to sit next to the passenger who you suspect of being ill with 2019-nCoV, or are you going to request a seat change? You have to act on the information that you have right now, not on information that will arise during the coming months.

The information that exists right now points to big problems in the near future. What is now undisputed is that the virus can be spread by people who don’t show any symptoms, who may never become ill. So, the chance that you’ll become ill with the virus later when many people get it is significant. The probability of needing treatment for pneumonia when you become ill with the virus is far greater for this virus than it is for seasonal flu, even if you are young and healthy, see here.

The fact that far more people will need treatment for the infection compared to regular flu, means that during a big outbreak healthcare resources may be more difficult to access. A vaccine could change the situation, but as pointed out here a vaccine will come too late to deal with this outbreak even if it is developed in the coming few weeks, because of the time needed to mass produce millions of dosages of the vaccine.

And it’s not just the current outbreak that’s poised to spread around the world that’s the problem. As the virus starts to infect more and more people, going from tens of thousands, to millions, to many hundreds of millions of people, the virus will be able to undergo increasing rare chance mutations. So, if there is a probability of one in a billion per newly infected person that the virus in that particular person will end up undergoing a mutation or a mixing with some virus to become a far more deadly virus, then this has a reasonable chance of actually happening. But it may then still be the case that having an immunity to the original virus could give you some protection against the deadlier newer virus.

Now, I do understand that most people won’t be convinced by my arguments. They’ll be spooked into not wanting to sit next to a person they think has the virus. This allows more intelligent people to exploit these fears to get a few empty seats for themselves using this method.

1/31/2020 7:12:45 AM

Besides all the fear-mongering in the media – please consider the travel-warnings of the CDC.

Just take the suggested precautions and bring your own medical face-mask to MUC terminal.

Latex gloves can also help with avoiding to touch the face accidentally (this requires training).

And if you should notice suspect it after the take-off, contact a flight attendant discretely.


In case the risk should appear too high, consider individual transport through the EuroTunnel. The ferry from Calais to Dover is less secure, because you’ll be on-board while in transit, not in a car.

1/29/2020 11:46:00 AM

The correct answer is that you do nothing.

You are the one choosing to use air travel, you are the one taking the risk that you will be infected by all manner of airborne pathogens which are circulated and recycled through the pressurised cabin by the A/C and oxygen.

Personally, I have never taken a long-haul flight without contracting at least a common cold. It’s just one of the perks of being in a metal tube with 300-400 other humans breathing their germs all over you.

Whether you are sitting next to someone on a flight with a virus or sitting 10 rows back from them, you are exposed to the same level of risk.

So just sit in your seat, stop worrying about what other people are doing, and stop thinking you can diagnose someone’s symptoms just by looking at them. You can’t, and even if you could it doesn’t matter where you’re sat in the airplane, you’ll be infected anyway.

1/29/2020 11:23:14 AM

You are already being too paranoid for right now . Though this may change if Wuhan Corona virus becomes far more widespread.

Apart from the very small probability of coming into contact with a Wuhan Coronavirus carrier unless you are in/around Wuhan as mentioned in another answer you need to consider the following:

300,000 to 650,000 people die from Flu each year. Would you be at all considering raising the alarm to cabin crew if you suspected the person next to you had flu? All you would be doing is creating hysteria in possibly the worst place for it to happen – an aircraft cabin.

Right now (end Jan 2020) Wuhan CoronaVirus is much less deadly than SARS and MERS were and is far less likely to kill you personally in Munich or London than Flu would*.

  • Assumming you are a fit adult of young to middle age – its also vanishingly unlikely that you will be killed by Flu.

Instead of speculating around unlikely (at this point in time) scenarios start educating yourselves and others about what the actual risks are.

So based on this site

Wuhan Coronavirus may spread more easily than flu (exactly how much is still uncertain), will kill more easily than flu, but not SARS or MERS.

Right now there are are 2 major worries about CoronaVirus – the fact that it may be contagious whilst the patient shows no symptoms, and that it seems to spread relatively easily for a droplet-borne virus – BUT at time of writing – neither of these things have been confirmed with statistical rigour.

In short – if you are flying you way more have more chance of sitting next to someone with flu than sitting next to someone suffering from Wuhan Coronavirus. This last statement is a WAG and lacks statistical rigour – but hopefully it makes the point.

Bookmark the site above and then start worrying if the number of cases reaches the 100,000 mark.

Bear in mind the media exists (in part) to sell advertising via manipulation of your emotions – particularly fear.
Right now there is nothing to suggest that WCV is going to be much much worse than SARS or MERS were. Not to trivialise those deaths but to put into context their minimal global impact to the average human.

One tip I use – change the headline to something more prosaic – at time of writing WuhanCorona Virus has killed 132 people since December 2019. In 2018 an average of 3056 people died in car crashes in the US. Source

Would you be worrying as much if you saw the headline 132 die from Virus, vs 132 die from Driving?

One last thought : The human brain is appalling at judging relative risk – always bear this in mind.

1/29/2020 8:34:42 PM

Go in the back to secretly communicate that to the flight attendant, and request a seat change?

If a passenger told a flight attendant that they suspected another passenger had a deadly contagious disease, the flight crew, if they believed the risk was real, they would immediately take steps to protect the passengers as a whole and the safety of the flight as a whole. Changing the seat of one passenger does nothing to improve the overall safety of the flight. A crew who felt the danger was real would not have attention to spare to swap the seat of one passenger who felt their personal safety was more important, though they might humor someone they thought was over-reacting by changing their seat.

If the aircraft were empty enough (rare these highly optimized days) they might create a buffer zone of empty seats around the affected passenger. If there were only a few empty seats away from the suspected carrier, priority would certainly go to the elderly, children, pregnant women, immunocompromised people, etc.

But the correct first step is definitely to discreetly notify a flight attendant of your concerns.

After that, the best you can do to protect yourself is hand sanitizer, turn to the wall, wear a mask, pray to the higher power of your choice…

(Note: Yes, I’m mostly serious about the prayer, as it can be useful to help people of faith keep calm after they have taken all practical tangible steps.)

1/29/2020 7:31:54 PM

According to this website:

Like other coronaviruses – such as the common cold – the virus is
spread via droplets when a person coughs or sneezes. It can also be
spread when someone touches a contaminated surface such as a door
handle.

I’m not a doctor but my mom is a biologist who works for the State Laboratory in São Paulo doing analysis in blood, feces, and other fluids for research of diseases like dengue and tuberculosis.

According to her, the best method to prevent an infection is to always sanitize your hands, never to touch your eyes or mouth, and to avoid direct contact with people such as by shaking hands, talking too close to them, and so on. A mask would prevent any saliva from getting in contact with your mouth and a pair of sanitary glasses would do the same for your eyes, but those are quite uncomfortable to use for long periods. Gloves are only valid if you frequently discard them because if you touch a contaminated surface using gloves and scratch your eye, the contamination will happen anyway.

When we had the swine flu in Brazil the government and private sector installed a lot of hand sanitizer dispensers in schools, supermarkets — almost everywhere. And people started carrying a small bottle of hand sanitizer in their pockets or purses, something that still happens today.

3/6/2020 2:33:25 PM

A cabin crewmember here.

This is different from airline to another, and country to another, but I can safely assume there are a lot of similarities when it comes to this, as most of the airlines get the instructions from local Civil Aviation Authorities and local health ministries, both authorities get the information from higher global organizations.

The airline I work for supplied its fleet recently with a contagious disease kit, which shall be used by the cabin crew once there are signs of an infected passenger. This kit includes masks to be distributed once needed, a disinfectant liquid (the same as in hospitals) to clean surfaces around the sick passenger, gloves, etc. Also, my airline allowed its crewmembers to wear masks if they wish to on flights from/to certain destinations.

As I said, not sure if the same is being followed by other airlines. Regardless of that, you should inform the cabin crew right away, they are in this with you, they will know what to do. These days our mailboxes are being filled with health information and updates regarding this, and because we are exposed more than the average person, we really care about this.

Finally, what you should worry about is the infected people during the incubation period with no symptoms at all (this has been confirmed), they are as contagious with no way of knowing that. People with fever (a common symptom after the virus incubation period) will not be allowed to board. Therefore, it’s advised that you follow basic prevention measures, such as washing your hands, avoiding touching your eyes, nose or mouth, cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze, wear a mask (N-95 mask), etc.

This seems like a virus masterpiece, only the coming few days will let us know how serious this is.

1/28/2020 11:32:45 AM

I would tell the flight attendant, and they will maybe ask for health screening at landing.

Other than that, changing seat will not work, if the virus is already in the air, it might (I AM NOT A DOCTOR) infect everyone.

From what I can see on the internet about it, is that there is nothing you can do about it other than not flying; most suggestions are to use disinfectant for your hands, cough in tissues (limit spraying around stuff); most references I’ve seen do not agree on wearing mask or not.

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