Who said "against the soul, lies; against the body, violence" and where?
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Not really an answer but a collection of materials, so marked as community wiki:
- The earliest source known to Google seems to be an excerpt from the Argentinian Spanish-language magazine "Criterio" from 1930 (Vol 3 Nr. 147 p. 22), which attributes the quote to Necháyev and adds that Lenin would follow those "rules" literally (if I understand correctly).
- French Wikipedia has some remarks about the different "editions" of the "Catechism" which seem to differ.
- The Gallica collection of the Bibliothèque Nationale de France has a very early but incomplete french translation online, but i wasn't able to locate the quote there.
- A (newer) publication attributes the quote to Friedrich Nietzsche the same way it's attributed to Necháyev, i.e. without precise indication of any source; this may be a simple confusion of both names because of their similarity. At least, a quick search using a German translation of the quote didn't yield any results.
Since the earliest translations of the "Catechism" were done from Russian to French, I would expect a "French version" of the quote to be current if the quote really exists in the Russian original, but I wasn't able to find any. Another approach would be to try to "re-translate" the quote into Russian and search for sources.
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Mikhail Bakunin is the source of the quotation "For the soul, lies. For the body, violence"
A 1962 source on Russian historiography, Rewriting Russian history; Soviet interpretations of Russia's past by Cyril Edwin Black, refering to a note in a previous work by Dmitri Kuzmin in 1927, credits Bakunin with saying this in a 1870 letter to [Alfred] Talandier, though the order is reversed:
"For the body, violence; For the soul, lies"
The letter from Bakunin to Talandier, dated July 24, 1870, is written in French and is full of criticism about Nechaev's political morality:
(...) il [Netchaev] est arrivé peu à peu à se convaincre que pour fonder une société sérieuse et indestructible il fallait prendre pour base la politique de Machiavel et adopter pleinement le système des Jésuites, pour corps la seule violence, pour âme le mensonge.
(...) he [Nechaev] progressively convinced himself that to build a serious and undestructible society Machiavel's politics must be taken as a basis and the Jesuits' system fully adopted, for body only violence, for soul lies. [Evargalo's translation]
Interestingly, Mikhail Bakunin associates this concept with even older historical figures, the Jesuits. Whether he forged the formula himself or if some Jesuits really used it is unclear; in any case it is Bakunin who linked this phrase with Nechaev, and Nechaev certainly never said nor wrote it himself.
The association of this quote with Lenin (or Nietzsche) is totally apocryph.
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